Countering “The Great Carrington Imposture”

Update: My second installment at chipping away at Round’s arguments can be found here:

https://smithgenealogy.wordpress.com/2022/06/11/countering-the-the-great-carrington-imposture-part-dux/

Before I get to the heart of J H Round’s work, I wish to preface this writing.

Recently on Geni.com, I have been engaged in a discussion regarding the facts surrounding John Carrington alias Smyth who is said to have been buried in Rivenhall Churchyard in Essex in June of 1446. Contributions from everyone have been much appreciated.

I’ll start by listing my sources starting earliest to most recent:

William Dugdale – The Antiquities of Warwickshire, Illustrated [vol1] [vol2]
Philip Morant – History and Antiquities of Warwickshire
William Arthur Copinger –  History of the Records of the Smith-Carington Family
(derived from the archives of Mr. Robert Smith-Carington*,**)
John Horace Round – Peerage and Pedigree
Lionel M. Angus-Butterworth** – Old Cheshire Families and their Seats
Clarke and Hodgeson – Leicestershire Pedigrees and Royal Descents

* I wish to make it known that Mr. Robert Smith-Carington adopted the hyphenated surname himself. He seemed determined, even if impossible, to connect his Smith line to the Smiths of Rivenhall.

** I also wish to state that it is my opinion that the Smiths of Cropwell, Tithby, Nottinghamshire, ancestors of the Smiths of Smith Bank & Co. are not likely descended from the Smiths of Rivenhall. All of the above authors will inevitably have conflicting opinions of things.

My primary “adversary” in this story has been a one Erica Howton (and more recently Andrew Lancaster), a woman who curates the Geni.com profile for a number of individuals I find myself researching these day, and stands firm with J H Round on his opinion that the Smiths of Rivenhall were not descended from the Carringtons of Cheshire. Erica has been a very active contributor on Geni.com and is a curator for many of the profiles that pertain to the individuals who were associated with John Smyth, Esq. of Rivenhall, Essex. Amy Nordhal Cote has also been a valued contributor by proving research avenues that may not be immediately obvious to someone who is, for the first time, seriously researching John Carrington alias Smyth. Both individuals have demonstrated their skill in finding obscure information on the internet regarding our subjects of research.

(I may periodically update this page with new or corrected information, so this is a disclaimer.)

Ok, to the heart of the matter! Fortunately for me John Horace Round did me the favor of organizing his points of argument in his book. Due to the volume of his commentary, I must post my analysis in two parts. Here I begin with the first half of my criticism of “The Great Carrington Imposture” by John Horace Round.

I have organized this list according to the talking points Round set out at the beginning of his work.

Please bear with me. This is a lot of information. Some entries are simply facts, others commentary.

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Brown, Jones, and Smith

  • Suggests for “Smith” lines there is no “hope” in proving a “noble” ancestry
  • Calls Smith a “distressing” name

The two John Smiths

  • Makes allusion to Smiths of Hill Hall and their suggested Plantagenet connection
  • Admits that the two Smith lines’ histories are irrelevant to each other’s as a matter of proving either lineage credible.
  • Suggests that John Smith of Hill Hall’s son, Sir Thomas Smith of Hill Hall (professor), fabricated a pedigree so that, after rising to the prominent position of Vice-Chancellor of Ely, he could inherit a coat of arms.
  • He also suggests that the suggested narrative of how John Shakespeare’s coat of arms was obtained has a bearing on Sir Thomas Smith of Hill Hall. (I have no information on William Shakespear’s coat of arms.)
  • He clearly is making assumptions about completely unrelated families and lineages based upon other completely unrelated families. Each line must be examined individually for any analysis of their lineages to be credible. He is comparing apples to oranges in my opinion.

Three Smith families claim to be ‘Caringtons’

  • Begins with an attack on the Smiths of Cressing Temple by saying “It was not, as a rule, the founder of the house who indulged in these fantasies: he knew from what he had risen, and other knew it too.”
  • This is incredibly smug of Round. I feel like it is him saying “You know you’re lying! Quit pretending!”
  • His references to “Barker” are marked with an air of skepticism. I believe he is suggesting that this officer issued arms to fabricated lineages frequently enough to make anything attached to his name incredible.

[Here I digress, but the subject matter is not completely uninteresting or irrelevant. I wish to show the credibility of the individual Round is so ready to criticize. ]

  • “Barker” appears to have been a Christopher Barker, son of William Barker of North Riding, Yorkshire. He started as a private officer of arms of Charles Brandon and was later made “Lisle pursuivant” in 1513, and “Suffolk Herald” in 1517. In 1522 he was made a royal officer of arms as “Richmond Herald” and later still was promoted to “Norroy King of Arms”. On 15 July of the same year, he was promoted to “Garter Principal King of Arms”. (from WikiPedia)
    • Please note that Round was never directly involved with The College of Arms in any capacity and independently published all of his works, some resulting in a “level of acrimony [that] was sufficiently high [enough] that the editor was forced to close correspondence on the subject.”
  • Barker’s evidence during the trial of Henry Howard, Earl of Surry was integral in the Earl being found guilty of a “charge of treasonably quartering the royal arms”.
  • The Howards had little regard for “new men” such as Cromwell and Seymour. His trail and subsequent execution were during the time of Henry VIII, a man paranoid about the possibility of Henry Howard usurping the throne. You see, Henry Howard was descended from kings on both sides of his tree. His mother from Edward III, his father Edward I.
  • Henry Howard was reared with the illegitimate son of Henry VIII, Henry FitzRoy (a man we later find was born at Blackmore Priory, a placed Henry VIII frequented to engage in extramarital affairs. Henry VIII referred to Blackmore Priory as “Jericho”, the same priory that became a possession of the Smiths of Blackmore, descendants of the Smiths of Rivenhall.
  • Not to digress further, but Henry FitzRoy was a son of a Elizabeth Blount, a daughter of a Sir John Blount and Catherine Pershall.
  • Is it not interesting we find a connection to “Jericho” and a Blount line in this narrative? [See the Smith, Croke, and English story]
  • Round is saying that the man who provided evidence for the execution of Henry Howard granted arms to the Smiths of Cressing Temple, a family who Round is claiming were “new men” and supposedly would not have been liked by Henry Howard. Does Barker intentionally kill an Earl and forge some pedigrees for some folks who came into new money? Not likely.
  • Round is trying to cast doubt on the credibility of the lineage of the Smiths of Rivenhall by pointing to a narrative involving a herald who helped to convict a (at least perceived) rival of Henry VIII (a much larger picture) and not the facts surrounding their Smyth lineage.
  • Smiths of Cressing Temple were related to Smiths of Saffron Walden
  • Sir Charles Smith is Lord Carrington in the year 1643.
  • Round wishes to suggest that since there is more than one family making a claim to a descent of the Smiths of Rivenhall that the Carrington/Smith lineage is fabricated.
  • A Mr. Richard Smith, a successful businessman, adopts the surname “Smith-Carington” in 1878.
  • Richard Smith was the original possessor of the archives later entrusted to Dr. Walter Arthur Copinger, LL.D., F.S.A., Professor of Law at Victoria University.
  • It can be shown, in agreement with Round, that the John Smith of Cropwell, Tithby in Nottingham is not descended from any Smith of Ashby-Folville, but an earlier John Smith of Cropwell, Tithby dying circa 1602.
  • This John Smith is the progenitor of the Smiths of Smith Bank & Co, the ancestors of the most modern incarnation of The Lords Carrington.
  • We must make sure we remember that Mr. Robert Smith”-Carington” not being descended from the Smiths of Nottingham, and they in turn not being descended from the Smiths of Rivenhall, does not itself discredit the suggested ancestry of the Smiths of Rivenhall.
  • He prefaces his next section by stating that he can prove the Smiths of Rivenhall are not descended from John Carrington of Cheshire. Then, after “proving” this, he will discredit the other artificially affiliated Smith lines with the Smiths of Rivenhall. Again, proof of a lack of a connection from (A) the Nottingham Smiths to (B) Mr. Robert Smith-Carington, and from (A)/(B) to (C) the Smiths of Rivenhall does not itself discredit the claim of descent of the Smiths of Rivenhall from the Carringtons of Chester.

The Conquest ancestor

  • Round first attempts to “disentangle” i) the (according to Round) “16th century fabrication” that is a personal account (by John Carrington alias Smith) of the ancestry of the Smiths of Rivenhall being descended from Sir Mychell of Carrington from ii) the descent of Hamo de Carington.
  • Round first states that, after an enquiry to The College of Arms, there is no recorded descent from “Sir Mychell” to the family of Mr. Robert Smith-Carinton. I will agree with this, but this does not discredit the existence of “Sir Mychell of Carington”. It simply shows that Mr. Robert Smith-Carington does not have strong evidence to lay a claim of descent from the Smiths of Rivenhall.
  • Further, an audacious claim made by Mr. H. H. Smith-Carington, that he is “the heir male of the senior line” is specious at best. We know this is not true.
  • Round then goes on to attack the existence of Hamo de Carington himself by saying “Not a scrap of evidence is produced to show that this Hamo de Carington ever existed in the flesh, and I do not hesitate to say that he is a fictitious personage.”
  • This claim can be solidly countered by the following evidence. After Round, a gentleman by the name of Lionel M. Angus-Butterworth authored a work on the Smith/Carrington pedigree. Regarding the matter of Hamo de Carington, he provided the following transcript of a record pertaining to Sir Jordan of Carington, a suggested grandson of Hamo of Carington.
  • Taken from Butterworth’s book: “Upon the death of Hamo the lordship of Carington passed to his son and heir Sir William de Carington, who was succeeded by his son Sir Jordan, [described as] “ fil Willielmi fil Hamonis de Carington.” This Sir Jordan was one of the Knights of Ranulph de Gernon, fourth Earl of Chester, and was present at the battle of Lincoln, the 2nd Frebuary, II4I, when King Stephen was taken prisoner.
  • This information will be easily verifiable. Further, Butterworth cites “an early ‘Armorial General de France’ deeds and other papers in the municipal archives of Rouen [in Normandy, France], and the publications of the ‘Société de l’Historie de Normandie’ ” as his source. This undoubtedly will prove to be credible.
  • Rounds claim of Hamo de Carington being a “ficticious personage” has been strongly countered.
  • Further, Round goes on to suggest that Hamon de Masci and Hamon de Carington are one in the same. This appears to be from an apparent lack of mention of Carington in the Domesday survey. An analysis of the relevant records show that “Carington” was indeed omitted from Domesday. However, the source for the lineage of Jordan de Carington shows that Hamo de Carington was not described as Hamo de Mascy (Hamon de Masci). Baron Hamon De Masci had his own heirs and is mentioned specifically as a variant of “Hamo de Massey” in these records. I cannot believe that one individual would be mentioned by two different names when describing lines of descent and matters of inheritance.
  • Round then goes on to (again) make a comparison between the lineage of Mr. Robert Smith-Carington (specifically the lineage of his mother, a Hanbury) and the identity of Hamo de Carington and Hamo de Massy. The suggestion is that since one line is contrived, the whole of the identity of Hamo de Carington is fabricated. This is not sound logic. Again, each lineage must be exclusively analyzed for credibility. A failure of genuineness on the part of one line does not constitute a strong case for fabrication of another.

The 16th century document

  • Round first sets out his vectors of attack. I) the Carington pedigree down to “John Carrington” and ii) the provenance of the origins of the Smith name as it came to be associated with a descendant of a Carrington of Cheshire.
  • Round describes when the Smith/Carrington pedigree was first recorded, in 1577.
  • Sir John Smith of [Little] Baddow in Essex brough to Cooke, Clarencieux of the College of Arms “two ancient writings”. One was provided by the aforementioned “John Smith of Baddow”, the other by “Henry Smith of Cressing Temple”. Henry’s heirs were “The Nevills of Holt”.
  • Here is what we are having described to us on page 47 of Round’s book: in 1602, Rouge Dragon, a herald, wrote that on 20 May 1577, Cooke, the then Clarencieux, recorded a lineage for the Smiths of Rivenhall, from two sources, one being provided by Henry Smith of Cressing Temple, the other by Sir John Smith of Little Baddow. Later, in 1870, found in the charter chest of The Nevills of Holt [2] was one of these two original source documents used by Cooke in 1577. A Mr. Horwood appears to have been an employee of the “Historical MSS Commission” that rediscovered the record.
  • Dugdale is cited as saying that one of the original documents was at one time in the possession of a William Smith, Esq. of Cressing Temple [likely a descendant of Henry Smith of Cressing Temple] and was certified by Sir William Dethick, Knight Garter, the other was in the possession of Sir Charles Smith of Wooten and Ashbye in Warwickshire [likely a descendant of John Smith of Baddow]. Robert Cooke in 1577 certified these documents originally.
  • Round agrees that the two documents were “a homogeneous whole”, but insists on challenging the descent of the Smiths from the Carringtons. To restate this a different way, two documents, from two different but related families, agree on their descent from the Carringtons, but Round continues to challenge the claim.
  • On page 150, Round “trees out” the John Carrington alias Smith tree.
  • I wish to note that Round does not provide source quotations for his trees, but only cites the works that he has read the narratives from.
  • What Round is arguing here is weak. He claims that because the lineage that Rouge Dragon recorded differs from what Dr. Copinger recited in his book, the whole of the lineage is fabricated. I will state that this infuriates me as Round dismisses all logic from his argument.
  • Keep in mind, as these lineages have been studied, these trees have been changed from a chart of a pedigree into a narrative and back again. When working with very similar names of individuals who are related to each other, undoubtedly, from either strained eyes or an exhausted mind, transcription errors occur. Further, even in this 21st century, even with the introduction of computers, transcription errors in lineages exist.
  • Round fails to research himself the discrepancies between Copinger’s and Rouge Dragon’s pedigree charts. If there was a genuine interest in finding the truth of what Robert Cooke recorded in 1577, Round should have investigated. Then again, I am assuming Cooke’s record still exists. Why not go in search of the original documents as recorded by Cooke?
  • I will later address the matter of Round decrying the original and handwritten John Smyth of Rivenhall pedigree as fabricated.

All turns on it

  • In his attack against the incorrectly recorded trees, Round states “And on this document all depends: its opening words are the only evidence for Sir Michael’s very existence.”
  • To counter this, we find a record that an “Adam” or “Adae” of Carington existed. As the source document eludes me, I will refer to where I found the pertinent information, a Geni page that cites a Facebook group! (please don’t laugh…)
  • https://www.geni.com/people/Guillaume-de-la-Fert%C3%A9-Mac%C3%A9/6000000003827883045
  • This page states that there existed an “Adae de Carrington”, a one time lord of The Manor of Carrington. According to the narrative that Round is familiar with regarding Sir Mychell of Carington (findable elsewhere on the internet), “Adam” of Carrington sold “full half of the Parish of Sale, near Manchester”, lands that the Lordship of Carrington possessed, and funded Sir Michael of Carrington.
  • It can be shown through secondary records (transcriptions of primary records) that a Mychell of Carington, a son of Adae of Carington existed. See “The Visitation of Cheshire in the Year 1580”.
  • https://books.google.com/books?id=Q_wUAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=Adae+of+Carington&source=bl&ots=96AQT9GxEZ&sig=BicrS5J6pwvU515wl69kWdfwS9E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjF_rK6mMzRAhVBsVQKHbPkDT0Q6AEIJDAC#v=onepage&q=Adae%20of%20Carington&f=false
  • “Ego Hamon de Massy dedi Thoma …. Exclam’atem totu Bromi croftum. Testibus Wm de Venables, Hamon fratre suo, Alano de tatton, Rob’to de Massy, Adae de Carrington, Matheo de Massy, Joh’es de Massy”. (Sorry for lack of correct punctuation).
  • I will accept as a concession that it is possible Sir Michel existed at one time and possibly had his story embellished. Evidence is required to prove this however.
  • If you really want to, you can try to prove that this visitation record is inaccurate, but I highly doubt it is as we find just who we expect to be together, the family of Hamon de Massy and the Lords of the Manor of Carrington.

It is false

  • I think I overlapped my arguments for this section somewhere above and below this line.

Sir Michael, the Standard-bearer

  • Round states that at the funeral of John Smith, “knight”, in attendance was the then contemporary “Lord Carrington”, his brother.
  • Also at John Smith’s funeral, it was proclaimed that John Smith’s Carrington line was descended from Sir Michael of Carrington, the standard bearer.
  • This is according to The Somerset Herald.
  • On page 154, Round again claims that Sir Michael the standard bearer is a fabrication, an amalgam of personalities of heroic narratives. The relevant sources have been found to show that the dismissal of the existence of Sir Michael of Carrington and Hamo de Carington is illogical.
  • I would like to identify any other individuals who may have been “standard bearers” to Richard I. The Henry Tyes (Teutonicus) individual seems an interesting place to start.
  • I need to better archive my findings from credible internet sources that pertain to Sir Michael’s profile.

His mythical existence

  • Round on page 156 enters into his argumentation about the physical nature of an arguably unrealistic device that is claimed to have transported Richard I’s standard while on the battlefield.
  • I feel that Round’s use of this topic as an attempt to dismiss the existence of Sir Michael of Carrington is poor logic. The more relevant nature of the estate records and the like could have been explored, but Round digressed.
  • I will argue (as I may while I’m on the topic), in agreement with Round (and see my Geni.com posting under John Smith of Rivenhall) that Copinger is just simply wrong about the nature of the assigned equipment as it pertained to a “standard bearer”.
  • There were very large wooden structures that would have been affixed to ships, or even used in an encampment, but as a mobile standard bearer on horseback, engaged on the battlefield, a lance and flag would have been the equipment. It is foolish to think that a lone man would have pushed a large wheeled wooden device around an active battle field.
  • See “The Battle of the Standard”. It’s interesting.
  • The account of “a car surmounted by a tower as high as a minaret” comes from Bohadin (an Arabic historian).

His ‘costly’ crusade

  • Round criticizes the passage at the bottom of page 157.
  • Quoting Copinger: “Very little remained after two years to compensate for the loss of Sir Michael de Carington’s life, and the squandering of the proceeds of half the parish of Sale, except a report in the Archives of the Heralds, and an effigy …”
  • He states on page 158 “It should prove of the highest interest to historians the more so as Heralds’ College was not even founded till nearly three centuries after the date of the Crusade.”
  • I feel that here, Round is arguing with semantics. Copinger perhaps could be referring to a, contemporary (to Sir Michael) report that had thus been, much later, archived with the Heralds’ College.
  • Regarding the “debet duos solidos pro eodem”, I need to be careful here. Copinger states that two entries on “De Oblatis Roll” are brothers of Sir Michael: a Mathew and another unnamed sibling.
  • So what is “De Oblatis Roll”? Let’s explore what the word “Oblatis” means.
  • https://books.google.com/books?id=iepJAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT1003&lpg=PT1003&dq=root+of+oblatis+latin&source=bl&ots=cu3SJL4dXp&sig=_TvKaax6mOacIby1_8Jnn9K98_U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi-4ciqqszRAhWIr1QKHa6_Ab8Q6AEINDAF#v=onepage&q&f=false
  • “An oblate is a young child offered (oblatus) to a monastery or nunnery by his or her parents. In ecclesiastical Latin the term evokes the idea of a sacrificial gift.” I believe it is the origin of the word “obligation”.
  • The roll Round cites appears to be a list of people and how much money they either i) gave as an offering or ii) owe to the crown. The list’s name means either “Obligations” (monies due?) or “(The) Offerings”, or at least this is the best translation I can get from researching Latin on Google.
  • I used Google translate to, well, translate “Matheus of Karington debet duos solidos pro eodem.” Google says it means “Matheu of Karington should have two shillings for the same.” I don’t think this is correct.
  • After doing some refinement of this enquiry, I find that the sentence likely means something more along the lines of “Matheus de Karington owes (or should owe, or owes you) two shillings ‘for the same’.”
  • The word “debet” is derived from the root word “debeo” which means:
    • To have or keep from someone
    • To owe something, to be under obligation to and for something
    • To be bound. In duty, bound to do something; “I ought”, “I must”, “I should”.
  • I think it is possible the latin phrase means “Matheus of Karington is obligated to pay two shillings [for the same]”. Whether or not he paid it, I cannot tell. I do not find the word “debeo” or “debet” used to indicate that something was paid for, but rather, only in the sense that something is owed or due. I would like to see the rest of this “De Oblatis Roll”. I welcome a counter argument as I am no expert in Latin but have studied formal Spanish for a number of years.

His alleged relatives

  • The relatives of Sir Michael of Carrington are not immediately known to myself. Credible sources that are not derivative works are needed.

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This is the end of my part one of my criticism of “The Great Carrington Imposture” by J H Round. I may even have to break it into three portions.

Update: I have posted my 2nd installment of my criticisms of Round’s work.

-Chris

Countering “The Great Carrington Imposture”

Some other Smiths that I have left out of these pages. (but no longer!)

After reading through Andrew Smith’s blog “Blackmore Area Local History
A record of history & heritage: buildings, people & landscape in this corner of Essex” I saw an individual post a query regarding Customer Smythe, John Smyth, Esq. of Rivenhall, Essex, and Capt John Smith of Jamestown, VA fame. I thought I would take a moment to discuss Capt John Smith and his Smith lineage.

Firstly, no one in North America is likely descended from either Customer or Capt. John Smith. From the wills of Capt John Smith himself, we find that he had no children. I have seen a 19th century transcription of these documents at my local library and I believe I have photos of the pages, but I will have to dig for them in my digital archives. He bequeaths all of his possessions to the children of his brothers. He had two brothers (and possibly a sister I believe) and their lines stayed in England.

Next, Captain John Smith is well documented as having been born in Willoughby, Linconshire, England. His father was a George Smith and his mother an Alice Rickard. George’s father was a “Master John Smith” who appears to have lived in Louth around 1552. Here’s my source, and it appears very credible.

The above referenced document does appear to link a Nicholas Smyth of Theddlethorpe, a man who referred to himself as a first cousin of Captain John Smith, to a John Smyth of Epping, Essex. PLEASE note that the author makes no connection, (or even a suggestion of a connection, mind you), to John (Carrington) Smyth, Esq. of Rivenhall, Essex. There is definitely not a connection to Kent.

Finally, to further distance these two Smith lines, I wish to present a visitiation record I found on Google Books entitled “The Smyths of Theddlethorpe“. It describes these Smyth’s coat of arms thusly: “Sable, on a chevron engrailed, between six crosses pate’s fitche’e or, three fleurs-de-lis azure, each charged with a plate.” Even without showing you a picture of what this looks like, we can see that the description is completely different from any previously documented coat of arms I have detailed within my blog.

I hope you have found my blog page and the pages I linked to useful in differentiating Capt John Smith of Jamestown, VA fame from the Smith line of John (Carrington) Smyth, Esq. of Rivenhall and the line of Sir Thomas “Customer” Smythe of Westenhanger in Kent.

Thank you for reading.

Chris Smith

Some other Smiths that I have left out of these pages. (but no longer!)

Let me tell you about Gary Ray Smith

Ladies and gentlemen,

I am not a proponent of outing someone on the internet by name, but a certain individual has made quite a mess of things with their research and I wish to make it known just how terrible their publications to the internet have been.

Before I begin, I will admit that yes, I myself have posted incorrect information to the interwebs and have even caused a stir or two among some online communities with my early genealogical work. That said, I have, when proven wrong, conceded and worked towards revising my postings and sending corrected e-mails to the researchers who were involved in the subject at hand. (I do these compilations all on my own, and ask questions that many have not, so they will have errors inevitably.)

I can not say that Gary Ray Smith has made such an effort. In fact, Gary has gone to great lengths to make sure that the internet is aware his relationship to Maj. Lawrence Smith and Sir Thomas “Customer” Smythe, as well as others. Allow me to explain.

Starting back on August 2, 2008, Gary posted the following to a Genealogy.com message board. He claimed to be able to link a Martin Alexander Smith (Gary’s Smith ancestor) to Major Lawrence Smith. A keen researcher will immediately doubt the accuracy of this work, but others will more than happily accept it at face value.

To further mess things up, Group R-M269-8 on SmithsWorldWide.org has chosen to USE the same tree Gary has in his posting as the basis for their tree back to Maj Lawrence Smith’s father! Aghh! They now have a yDNA line linked to Maj. Lawrence Smith and it’s not even correct! I find it interesting that this research matches that of Linda G. Cheeks. I would suspect that Gary found Linda’s research and adopted it as his own, or something like that.

More on Martin Alexander Smith in a moment. He’s the main reason I’m upset with Gary’s online activity.

According to Gary, this is how he believes, due to his “relatedness” to Maj. Lawrence Smith, his own coat of arms, today, in The US of A, should look.

I will do my best to explain what he has done. First, he has combined the primary design elements of the coat of arms of Sir Thomas “Customer” Smythe with those of Maj. Lawrence Smith, those being the three lions from Customer’s arms and the acorns and chevron of Lawrence’s. He has then replaced the ounce (snow leopard) of Customer’s crest with a lion passant, arbitrarily. Please remember that none of these Smith lines are related, even distantly.

Ok, so if someone’s doing something like this in their own time in the privacy of your own home, I have no problem with it. It definitely is a history lesson in the right light and a creative work of art. However, when someone takes this concoction of a coat of arms and pastes it all over the internet and falsely claims they’re related to Maj.Lawrence Smith,then yeah, that’s a problem for the online genealogical community. He had this fake coat of arms (a variant of one of the pictures on the previously linked page) uploaded to FindAGrave.com and it was the primary photo for Maj. Lawrence Smith for quite a while, a year at a minimum. It appears to have been removed, finally, at the time of this writing. Nope! I was wrong. Xpofer Smyth (who was NOT a Lt. Christopher Smith) still has Gary’s fake coat of arms attached to it along with a completely unrelated coa as well. Agh!!

The other thing that really burns me is that Gary went on to claim that he is related to William the Conqueror by way of his Smith line. Now this is an extraordinary claim and one that many online will make without too much proof. (I have read that there is a saying in England that “All Smiths are Carringtons”).

The issue with this is that Gary went on to make a Yahoo! Group called “The Sir Thomas Smythe Clan”, a group that was created around the idea of Gary’s Smith line being related to Customer Smythe and therefore (sigh) John Carrington, Esq. of Rivenhall, and further, William (Guillaume) the Conqueror. As my research has shown, and as some before me have concluded, Customer Smythe was not related to John Carrington, Esq., nor was Maj. Lawrence Smith related to Customer Smythe! This group included folks from all around the planet who were interested in genealogy and early English history, some even writing persuasive essays on the benefits of a benevolent monarchy. (Customer Smythe was involved in The East India Trading Company and his son was involved in The Virginia Company. Also, Queen Elizabeth II is supposed to be descended from Maj. Lawrence Smith’s brother, Col. John Smith of Purton (or Shooter’s Hill?) who married Mary Warner of Warner Hall.)

At a very minimum, he should have stated that his work was a work in progress and containing conjecture, but he decided to make this posting and matter-of-fact-ly state that he was of Lawrence Smith’s line. This lineage Gary has concocted is EVERYWHERE and I’ve seen Gary’s posting used as a source in a number of trees. Tens of thousands of trees on Ancestry.com and elsewhere all reflect this bogus line! Linda G. Cheek is also to blame for this prolific false truth.

Additionally, I have found that Gary is involved in a few websites that discuss The Klu Klux Klan. Be it pity, compassion, or sympathy, I do understand that we can not choose who we are birthed from in this world. That said, Gary made a choice to link his Martin Alexander Smith, a member of The Knights of the Golden Circle [video about National Treasure 2], to Maj. Lawrence Smith’s line, Customer Smythe’s line, and the agnatic line of William the Conqueror. I know these connections are not true and were created by Gary to inflate his online presence, a means for what ends I am unsure.

Let me be clear, an ancestor of Gary Ray Smith, a one Martin Alexander Smith, who was a conspirator with John Wilkes Booth, the assassin of President Abraham Lincoln, was not an agnate of (related on the male line to): Maj. Lawrence Smith, Sir Thomas “Customer” Smythe, John Carrington, Esq. of Rivenhall, or William the Conqueror. I feel this is what I mostly want to say in a nutshell.

Thanks for reading,

Chris Smith

Note: As of the writing of this document, it appears that Google’s search results are mostly purged of Gary’s websites. He is still active online, but not in a genealogical research capacity. Only a few web postings of his still show up if you search for any of the above Smith lines I’ve mentioned.

Let me tell you about Gary Ray Smith

Smiths of Isle of Wight County, Virginia – Latest consolidation efforts

Thanks for hanging in there with me folks.

Today I was presented with an opportunity to begin consolidating my research on the Carrington Smiths of Rivenhall and Blackmore in Essex.

Early Virginia

According to a number of credible sources, it can be shown that an Arthur Smith of Blackmore, Essex immigrated to Isle of Wight Co, VA in the mid 1600’s.

This Arthur Smith is one of the individuals who has had their lineage mangled. I wish to present the most credible sources I have found for his line and the lines of his close agnates.

Here’s a quote:
“…This Arthur Smith as been represented as a son of Sir Thomas Smith, the celebrated treasurer of the London Company, but Sir Thomas’ will is shown in the Virginia Magazine and mentions no son Thomas. (Va. Mag., Vol. 26, p. 267-69.)”
Additionally, I would like to add that there is also no Christopher Smith associated with this line in Virginia, or anywhere else in 17th century North America, despite the plethora of “information” on the internet that says otherwise.
Now, with a grain of salt in hand… [double check these folks please!] [and sorry it’s Google Books… you may need to buy an e-copy if you wish to study the text in depth].
This book goes into great detail about the Smith line out of the Nansemond area.

The Smiths of Smith’s Neck, Isle of Wight County, Virginia – by Lloyd E. Warren – William and Mary Quarterly

17th Century England

Stepping back even further in time, the following tree show agnatic descendants of John Carrington, Esq. of Rivenhall in Essex. These lines all existed in England. They are all prior to the Smith immigrations to North America.

Here is a great blog authored by Andrew Smith in Essex, UK. Many thanks to him for his great work on researching the family of Smiths in Blackmore.

Blackmore Area Local History – Blackmore: Thomas Smyth born c.1605 Braintree

I’m going to put it to you simply folks, if you can’t link a Smith line you are researching back to one of these lines, then your research subject is not descended from John Smith, Esq. of Rivenhall in Essex.

Also, here is a link to “The Peerage.com”. The William Smith I am sending you to was, I believe, an heir to The Lords Carrington in his time. Follow his Smith line up/back for more information. For some reason the website stops with Hugh Smith who died in Witham, Essex in 1486, but we can see him in this below tree (5th row, far left) to complete the link to John Smith, Esq. of Rivenhall in Essex.

William Smith of Cressing Temple

smiths-partial-descendant-tree-blackmore_rivenhall_littlebaddow

Additionally, the following PDF found on Archive.org has a rather detailed pedigree and account of the Smiths as the line pertains to the earliest The Lords Carrington.

The Smith Family… – By Elliot Stock – published 1904 [starting on page 66].

And even further back…

This book has been a very interesting read. It appears to have taken great care in recording the details of the Carrington Smiths and shows a lineage back to Hamo de Carynton, nephew of Hamo de Massey, a man who accompanied William (I) the Conqueror to The Battle of Hastings.

History and Records of the Smith-Carington Family – edited by Walter Arthur Copinger [lots of letters…]

I will post more as I find my old research. It is my hope that these accounts all agree, but I can not say that I know that to be a certainty at the moment. However, all the aforementioned documents claim to be discussing the same Smith line and are in a general agreement.

Thanks for reading!

Chris Smith

Smiths of Isle of Wight County, Virginia – Latest consolidation efforts

The goals of this project

Failure. It can be a scary word for some. Those who observe you do it may doubt or dismiss you, and those who do it themselves may get discouraged. I want to make sure that the word failure is not a negative one for you. Failure is simply the observing of a truth other than one that you expected or hoped for. It is not the end of the road. Success can be achieved by trying in earnest and failing, and failing rapidly, and by understanding our failures, we can begin to adapt. We can begin to change our thoughts, behaviors, and beliefs, and we can begin to have small successes.

Do not be afraid to fail and do not be afraid to allow other to see you fail when you make an earnest effort. However, do not fail and then engage in the same thoughts and hold the same beliefs as you did before and expect a different outcome. That is the definition of insanity.

After sifting through the digital annals of online genealogy sites, I feel that there is much to do about the contrived Smith lineages that are found in countless trees.

I once read a webpage that described genealogy as “America’s most pretentious hobby that no one talks about.”

I believe my research affects no fewer than 5 large and unique Smith lines in North America. Parts of the contents of these pages are based upon the works of:

  • Ancestry.com user “genkssst” for the Maj. Lawrence Smith family documentation. In my opinion, they are the leading expert on Maj. Lawrence Smith’s family.
  • George Poffinbarger for the information regarding Aquilla Smith’s family.

…and others. If I forget to mention a name somewhere, please let me know and I will attribute where necessary.

My yDNA research is based upon yDNA matching at FamilyTreeDNA.

My compilations conclusively counter claims made by:

Sir Bernard Burke [Burke’s Peerage and Burke’s Armory]

Louise Pecquet du Bellet [Some Prominent Virginia Families]

Linda G. Cheek [Ancestors and Descendants of Smiths]

There are also (literally) countless personal genealogy websites and trees that can (unfortunately) be easily found online.

My pages discuss the very poorly researched/represented Smith lines of (I am still building the site, so please be patient):

Customer Smythe and why, more than likely, no one in North America is descended from him.

Maj. Lawrence Smith of Gloucester Co, VA and why he is definitely not descended from Customer Smythe

Arthur Smith and Thomas Smith of Isle of Wight Co, VA and previously Blackmore, Essex, UK and why he was not a kinsman of Maj. Lawrence Smith

Further, I will provide my own yDNA and atDNA based research that includes the families of:

My Smith line:

Comparison of current 9 yDNA kits

I believe my Smith folks are descended from The Smiths of Haw River in present day Alamance County, North Carolina. This was the site of Pyle’s Massacre. One of my 66/67 yDNA matches is descended (not patrilineally) from Dr. John Pyle.

Isaac Smith and Nancy Hendrix of 1809 Woodford Co, KY, 1810 Rockcastle Co, KY, and 1820 Salt Creek Township, Jackson County, Indiana

Andrew Smith and Hannah Bracken [analysis of Deep Creek, Hillsborough, Orange, NC] [link 2] [link 3 – Scotland link is not my guy]

Samuel Smith and Elizabeth Rice of Woodford Co, KY

Aquilla Smith and Elizabeth Collier of Rockcastle Co, KY, Salt Creek Township, Jackson County, Indiana, and later, Madison Co, Iowa – [I would like to independently verify some of these findings.]

John M. Smith and Isabel Grider of Adair Co, KY – (Work in progress…)

General William Smith and Anne Fish of Rockcastle Co, KY – [link 2]

Smith line of 65374:

65374 appears to descend from Mulkey L. Smith who married Sarah Caroline Bagwell. His is a rather autosomally isolated population as Mulkey’s descendants were few, and he only had one grandson, a John Smith.

How’d we get so far apart?

I believe my yDNA matches all descend from Smiths who lived on The Haw River, or near it, prior to The Revolutionary War. Latest research suggests prior to NC, they lived in southeast Virginia near what is today Isle of Wight, Brunswick, Greensville, Co, VA.

Additional Smith lines (need to write up summaries and find links to share):

Smith line of Bennett Smith who married Anna G (mnu). They lived in McNairy Co, TN. Bennett Smith was likely from the southern part of Orange Co, NC around 1800 and related to a David McKinzie.

I believe Hillsborough, Orange County, NC is where I find my Andrew Smith. I am still attempting to identify the David McKinzie on the estate records of Bennett Smith.

Smith line of Stephen Smith who married Nancy (mnu). Stephen lived in Blount Co, AL and Fayette Co, AL. – [link 2] [link 3]

Smith line of John Henry Smith and Martha Agatha Thompkins.

And, amazingly, quite a few more.

Here is the link to the SmithsWorldWide.org Group R-M269-9 page that shows all the yDNA lines that match me, either closely or at a distance of 2-5 markers.

And as an added side note, I will be keeping tabs on the lines of the members of SmithsWorldWide Group R-M269-8 (these folks are not related to me via their Smith line, nor are they related to Maj. Lawrence Smith of Gloucester Co, VA):

Henley Garrison Smith, Henry Bascum Smith, Ancel Dean Smith, and John Snelson Smith (and others).

James H. Smith and  Susannah Chapman of Pickens Co, SC  [latest info as of 2016-08-23]

Christopher Smith and Catherine Snelson

[Just because this family group is in a periodical that also discusses Maj. Lawrence Smith, it does not imply that they are related.]

Ambrose Joshua Smith and Judith Ann Spann – [best source info I can find]

Kitt Smith and Mary Mauldin – See “Rucker Mauldin” and the Mauldin yDNA Project at WikiTree.com

Moving on…

I find that there is a heavy amount of confusion regarding Group R-M269-8 and my 67/67 yDNA match’s line Group R-M269-9. I feel very strongly that Group 9 is the correct lineage for James H. Smith who married Susannah Chapman.

There is currently some debate over whether or not Harmon Smith who married Mary Elizabeth Posey was of Group 8’s yDNA line or Group 9’s. I believe, because I can link Harmon’s brothers, Jesse and Charles Smith, to the Haw River area around the time of The Revolutionary War, Harmon Smith is of my yDNA line. There is a “Herman Smith” in The South Carolina Archives and History database that I have recently found. I need to research him before I accept this “Herman”->”Harmon” suggestion.

I also believe that the contents of Linda G. Cheeks wills and deeds books can be found, far more easily, on the above mentioned SC archive site. They may not have everything, but they have a lot. There are typ-o’s however, so be careful.

There are many more Smiths that I will attempt to chronicle as I sort them out on this site.

Collaboration

Feel free to send me any questions about any of my research. I am attempting to organize a collaborative effort using internet technologies such as a WordPress blog with multiple contributors, an IRC chatroom, and possible shared cloud storage for archiving our finds.

I will also be adding a few videos to the site via YouTube. I will use these to help better explain my findings.

Also, sometimes it helps to put things in perspective when working with DNA.

Thanks for reading!

Chris Smith

P.S. – If you would like to donate to our group’s general fund, you can send contributions to [ds114ec] at [yahoo.com]

Many thanks!

Disclaimer: I do not claim that every tiny detail within these pages is correct, but I have tried to achieve that. I also do not allow anyone to copy my work for the purpose of republishing it without my permission, and especially do not allow anyone to make money from my research or anyone else’s research that can be found within these pages (unless the original author says it’s ok. Who am I to restrict someone else’s work?).

The goals of this project